This Beyond Interior Design episode highlights the importance of incorporating nature, natural elements, sustainability, and personal values into interior design. We’ll talk about creating spaces that are visually appealing, emotionally satisfying, and environmentally conscious.
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This Beyond Interior Design episode highlights the importance of incorporating nature, natural elements, sustainability, and personal values into interior design. We’ll talk about creating spaces that are visually appealing, emotionally satisfying, and environmentally conscious.
More about this: http://instituteofinteriorimpact.com/biophilic/
Go to: beyondinteriordesign.CLUB
that that's I I speak to a lot of interior designers and I always talk about this subject and and then they say to me yeah but my client doesn't ask for it and I'm like yeah I know your client doesn't ask for it but you have to tell him it's your responsibility to tell him because he doesn't know he can't no he can't know everything [Music]
biophilic design is it just the next new interior design Trend or well beautiful design has been a growing Trend in interior design over the past few years and it shows no signs of slowing down in fact as people become more aware of the importance of sustainability about health and wellness the demand for biophilic design is likely to continue to grow and in the eyes of our guests of today biophilic design is not just a passing Trend but a fundamental shift in the way we think about design of our indoor spaces it's part of a broader movement towards sustainable and healthy design which emphasizes the importance of creating spaces that are not only beautiful but also good for our health and health of our planet so therefore this topic is absolutely Beyond interior design today we're going to discover what is biophilic design exactly why should you use it what are the positive effects how can you invite it easily into your life and into your designs and how will the entire design and architecture future look like so please welcome interior designer and biophilic design experts Eliana bonus from Studio lime she's based in the Netherlands you can book her for keynote speeches talks workshops but today's is here in the Beyond entirely fun podcast so let's support her on her Mission Leona welcome thank you thank you what an introduction Yeah well yeah I really appreciate your year so well maybe today we have to say Leanne is it yeah not lyanna on Dutch well welcome great to have you um yeah biophilic design um I really like actually the the what it literally means I read it that it means love of life and love of nature yeah natural systems that's really the literally uh meaning of it yeah yeah great too I love to because it says so much about where it comes from what the basis is and yeah that's really what it is love for nature yeah so what is what is biophilic design is it is it a style no it's definitely not a style um and and that's that's the fun thing about it because it's not a style you can uh everyone can use it because um you can use it from uh in classic interiors you can use it in very modern interiors and everything in between because it's more like a design method and not so much a style yeah yeah because I I was really curious actually I I we were creating a post and we saw a lot of plans and the trees in nature involved in interior design and it was like is this wine filling design or what is it because that's what it looks like if you see a lot of nature in in inside then it's be a fair exam but there's more to that right yeah definitely and also um it's it's because um that's the most visible part that's that's why it's where you um always compare it with plants but plants is just a very small part of it yeah but it is the most visible part so I understand the the uh the meaning you know it's it's like uh but you can have like an interior with no plants and all at all and it still can be by Philly because it's so much more than that okay cool let's go on that on that one later on because first I want to know where where did it come from me affiliate design where when did it start where did it start can you yeah actually it's [Music] it's now but it actually started in the 70s the first um uh psychologist that came up with the term was uh Eric from it was a German psychiatrist psychologist and um he invented the the words actually biophilic and um later on it got um more recognition and more people picked it up and brought it further like Stephen kellett for example is a very well-known um biologist and he was a he was a jail uh and he he wrote books about it and he brought it uh to much more people's attention so so and and why do you think it started in the 70s what what was it I have no idea actually why why it started back then already but maybe people were more aware of well I I I'm thinking out loud but I know that in the 70s also there was this club of Rome who were um into um you know awareness of how we treat the planet and yeah they were yeah already uh sounding the alarm Bells you know about we cannot go on um acting like we do with the planet yeah maybe it's got I don't know it's just thinking out loud I'm not sure but it sounds I mean it's it's all about being aware of of Nature and being aware of how we treat our planet yeah and people love for people peace uh I think it's all it all has to do with this huh yeah taking care of each other and the planet yeah yeah definitely yeah
desire is is to to be connected with nature is it although we forgot it maybe right now in this world yeah yeah definitely it's it's a it's a we all have it this this innate desire for nature and and because it's it's very logical because that's where we came from you know we um only a couple of thousand years ago we only lived in nature we were 99 of the time we were outside and you know and and because of all the technology and all the the things that happened after that we we kind of lost touch with with actually what we came from where we came from yeah but we needed we need it really in our lives yeah yeah I think how how long do we exist as human beings is that 46 billion years ago 46 billion years yeah yeah our previous podcast guys he said all the things we know right now are now viable to just exist 100 years they're just 100 100 years old everything we have around this exactly and nature nature is yeah yeah
yeah and we only live in for for only this short period period for that we
were yeah stroll around in and then um maybe lived in a cave but that was like it it was so in touch with nature and also with the natural system you know just uh get up when the sun comes up and go to sleep when it goes down and you know much more in in touch with with all these natural systems as well yeah yeah hard to imagine that this is your daily schedule right just waiting for the sun to come up and uh get out of your bed yeah yeah yeah but that's what we do when you're when we're on holidays right you live more close to Nature and that's what you're we're all want to do when we're having free time
so why not bring it in our houses and in our workplace yeah yeah that's that's that's definitely the integration of biophilic designer bringing the the nature inside because we are an well I saw on your website you call it the the indoor generation that's who we are how much time do we spend every day inside our uh buildings yeah they see us in cities it's a about 90 yeah 90. yeah yeah that's crazy and in our houses and in you know supermarkets and in offices and stuff like that but yeah indoors we spend a lot of time yeah amazing yeah so the the um why why should we use it because you said every we we need to have more biophilic design inside we need to have we need to uh reconnect with nature we need to have more of that of modern Earth insights but why why why what what does it what are the effects of that if we do that well it touches a lot of points you know it's um biophilic design is is about um indoor quality for instance it's very big part of bioflick design how the how the indoor quality is nowadays you can uh the the in the quality of some spaces are even worse than outside you know in cities so that's an important thing um insights worse than outside yes yes that's incredible right and what's the what's the cause of that um the course can be um polluted uh with vocs you know the [Music]
yeah yeah and also our furniture leaves uh um not so good um um how do you say yeah no healthy Fabrics no uh exactly exactly so that's that's why and um another thing is um we um because we feel so much better in um in a natural environment uh it it is it is so good for our well-being uh physical and mental
um and that's why um yeah um you are more connected to Nature and um yeah that that's that's um I don't know what I wanted to say sorry I lost the threat of my word on my line um what was the original question mark well well what what what's the cause of all these uh of all these this this terrible life circumstances inside our buildings because we we can say we go we we go outside but we are 90 of of the time we are indoors so how how can we what what can we do about that let's go to the to the solution of that because I can I can imagine that yeah well let me what what are the what can we do to raise the level um you can think about Acoustics for example it's a very important uh um a part because in nature Acoustics is always wonderful you know you have no sounds uh that that really annoy you and yeah so do you want to have good Acoustics in your building environment as well so that's a big part uh cool the cool data I'm mentioning Acoustics because it has nothing to do with with smell or or poisonous gases or using the wrong materials it's really about sensing yes exactly exactly that's a big part as well you know also in the use of materials you you want to have like this tactile um materials that that feel nice and that give you warm feeling and also with colors and patterns and that those things really do something with our minds and and that's really helpful in in feeling good in the space but if we're talking about colors because that's that's actually always with if you're talking with clients they say I I love natural colors but what what are natural colors because if you if you have a if you have flowers you have all the all the colors in the world so normally we think about these bases and sand and yeah yeah yeah great yeah yeah you know in in the natural world the colors are everywhere and and every color is represented in nature so it's not really natural I understand what you mean but what you mostly use is a little grayish tones so not not the real um uh harsh colors yeah or like Earthly tones that's that's a bit what I what I mostly use but that can be any color you know has that to do with with sensing the environment then that it is more calm and exactly I don't have to tell you because um callers do a lot with us you know we we are affected by the color we're in so I mean red color is uh making you active um and yellow is is making you feel vibrant and you know the the the psychology of color is very interesting and you can play with that as well yeah yeah yeah and what about patterns are you using patterns uh that are coming out of nature or have it just a relationship with nature or how do you yeah actually both um it can be really literally the patterns you see in nature like like the pattern of a leaf or the the pattern of a uh a tree something like that but um it can all be just by repeating patterns that that is what's happening in nature as well you always see repeating patterns yeah that gives us a really sense of relaxation and um yeah so that's that's how you use uh uh balance and and this can be in um little small patterns but it also you can blow it up and and make it more in your face um or more abstract if you want to it depends on the effect you want to achieve with uh with the room or the activities that are that are there yeah yeah so let's talk well you you are uh you're doing a lot of hospitality workplaces and what's the what's the first thing you add you change in a room if you would like to transform it to be a filmic design um well
well when the interior is already there
okay well you can you can maybe you have a have to have a makeover or uh what what what's the first thing you well for sure you are going to use in the next new design yeah it's it's
to say plants we
um adding so much to to a project because of its color color green because of its uh health benefits uh um uh with the O2 that it releases um but also because of Acoustics plant stick really take care of Acoustics in a place and also what I like is um you know when you when you put the plants inside a room it's really alive so with bringing plants inside you you bring a life in space you literally get put energy in the room yes light energy and and also you know a plant is not a uh it needs attention it needs taken care of um it needs you know sometimes it grows for a while and then it stops growing and then some leaves falling off and that's life too you know that's also yeah how it works in the natural system yeah yeah I saw some really cool uh portfolio pictures of your work you're literally almost well working in a kind of a kind of jingle I was like oh where where is it I like that that if you're well if you see the first pick the first impression is yes plants big jingle and I saw other uh Hospitality restaurants that uh have a more uh well it's not literally biophilic design we get to know uh more in depth that you can see the color used in the battles and the color schemes that you can feel that it is harmonious and uh connecting with nature yeah yeah I see this this this kind of levels but um yeah I was really curious how do you how do you start yeah how do you how do you start communicating about the effect design with your with your client yeah obviously they know that you are in a biophilic design expert yeah yeah and how do you yeah how do you start the conversation yeah well it's um I always uh bring it up of course uh if if they don't come for this reason to me in the first place but um what I'm trying to tell people because it's it's mostly it's about money yeah you have to when you when you make a design it's all about being into budget and people are starting to start asking um what it costs and I'm always saying you know just not only think about what it costs but think about what it what it brings you what you get for it you know there are so many um research is done and over and over again the research shows that um biophilic design spaces um uh take care of a lot of problems where companies are struggling with at this moment like keeping staff like attracting good staff like um a sick leave for instance um uh science has proven that when you have a space a biophilic design that the sick leave drops with eight percent
yeah I mean when you're when you're like this big company and you can you can save eight percent on your sick leave that is that's a lot of money so yeah I'm always trying to um you know uh see it from the financial point of view because um it does such great things that it that it really um it brings you money it doesn't it doesn't cost you more but it brings you money yeah on the on the long term for sure yeah yeah yeah definitely and one of the things I always do is
is in the sketch phase for clients um I uh bring in a green plan um in the early days I I always brought plants in my projects but since I've been really into this biophilic design I I moved the green plan from the do to the so the first sketching phase yeah because then you determine and and also you take your client uh with you into the importance of adding plants and the thing I don't like is when a project is ready and then you start okay we have to have plans as well and then these ports in the in the corner you know but over there and a pot over there and then I think yeah that's such a missed opportunity because when you do it in the in the sketching phase already um then you can design furniture around it you know then you you can you can design a couch where there's a planter in in the couch you know and then then it gets so much more um part of the design and and that's what I like yeah so if you're starting on that side with with the with the mother nature with this earthy uh nature elements you are already starting in the in the right way and the rest comes around it yeah that's the other artificial World almost yeah yeah yeah great yeah it has a really healing healing um yeah healing power all this all this nature inside so I heard in hospitals people can people recover much much earlier earlier when they have a good uh good few on nature on Forest and even even the color was enough I saw some experience yeah yeah is it true that that we have the most that we can see the most uh greens in a with our eyes yeah I've read that somewhere as well yeah yeah yeah so that maybe that's the fact why we love nature so much because that's our biggest scholar scheme that we can experience yeah yeah and also there's there's a lot of diversity in in the in the color green you know it's not just one color green it's it's very light very dark and everything in between and also you know the the leaves are different um yeah all the shades yeah hey you you are you are uh you told me you're working with three uh categories to implement biophilic design in your entire designs I am
in the space and that's really literally what you do is bring nature inside this so bring plants inside bring trees inside bring flowers inside um water water exactly butter as well fire if possible that's not possible yeah that's that's mesmerizing to it that's that's really my my mesmerizing thing if I have a natural fire I can watch it for hours yes it's wonderful and it's really relaxing and and yeah that also that's where we come from you know we used to sit around the fire together and telling each other's stories and then and watching uh watching the Flames yeah yeah so direct contact in nature water trees plants daylight daylight as well yeah yeah exactly and the second one is uh natural analogs and by that um I mean uh forms patterns colors um yeah all this all this stuff the bio biomorphic forms um you know also materials so the material connection yeah yeah that's what the natural analogues is about and what about this this you talk about is this noise or smells is it is it in this this category as well no no that's in the last one Ah that's interesting all right yeah because you you told me that was like the the viewpoints that you have um you said six meters it's a kind of what is it what is magical about six meters I never heard that one yeah it's it's also got has got to do with uh us living in the in the wildlands and um we we always um wants to have like uh this this safe place behind us yeah some people were sitting with their backs to the cave and then uh they could see what's around them so they could uh sense if there was danger coming to them yeah uh and you could see more than six meters ahead you know that's I think that's what it where it comes from so if you use six meters view in your interior design you have this kind of safe natural feeling that this experiencing this Freedom or this yeah yeah exactly and that's that's what the the third category is about it's about nature uh nature of the space so um how does the space make you feel um do you get energized or do you feel protected or um does it make you relax so that's all about how a space makes you feel yeah all the emotions with the smells and with the sounds and yeah yeah associations maybe because I think I think we we are we have our relation is form follows meaning so I can't imagine when you have a a client that really loves fire or wheel of forest that you are definitely focusing all these three categories on that theme to get really connected with her not with just be affiliate design but really connecting which you are client do you is that is that how you can work with uh with this method this design yeah definitely that's that's always what you try to do you know find out what what where the person's uh if you know favorite things are in life and actually I'm not so much of a a home interior designer of I used to be but not anymore but um yeah yeah of course you you um when you design for Hospitality as well you know you you tune into what what um uh the the target group wants you know and how do you want to make them feel and in hospitality is it's always about uh trying to keep them longer in the place than they were uh uh their plans you know yeah of well it doesn't look like that sometimes it's just say hey you can go home bye but yeah well it is yeah it's a business Hospitality in hospitals yeah Hospitality I mean the hospitality is another one but hospitals too yeah yeah Hospitality as well yeah that's the only way around you mind you to spend the money and stay longer yeah unless you are you are a fast food company yeah true yeah and also investment fast food company they um they use different they use these kind of colors that uh uh affect you yeah makes you run away actually after you're finished yeah yeah definitely yeah we don't mention names here in the podcast but the golden artists I know enough they have a whole philosophy about this yeah the golden Arts yeah uh well yeah two cool three uh ways to um well to integrate more beautiful design more connection with nature and entire design well uh allow me to do a quickly zoom out early on because besides uh your expertise about biophilic design there's more we can learn from U.S interior designers may I sure yeah um because we we did research in our Global uh in a global community of uh well right now it's uh 178 000 at the moment but uh we did the research Among Us 160 000 to Dairy design experts and um we developed a method for that the interior impact formula and these are consisting of five faces to build a fluorescing interior design studio and I'm not diving into that right now but yeah well if you want to know more it's on our website but if you I want to highlight two of those five phases because people will recognize what you are doing what you are communicating you as a design your third design professional so phase two is about the purpose the higher meaning of designs and you have that very very clear with your interior design company Dashi yeah I think so yeah yeah you have a really you know the impact you want to make you are communicating the impact at the higher meaning of your entirety Sciences that's that's really clear for people that want to work with you what's the ultimate goal is of your own territory science and sometimes that's it's about making a beautiful picture just find out what you want or something but there's no higher level and you are communicating that really well so that's the the face face too about this this purpose and then you have another face face uh phase three and that's about principles Your Design principles Your Design religion as you can call it to explain your design decisions also a big yes because I think it's very clear when you explain people why you're doing what you're doing why you design this why are you making these choices you have an answer for that is it yeah definitely yes and everything I do is is very conscious and all the decisions I make I have to be in line with with yeah you know what my what my goal is what my vision is yeah yeah and I think yeah because you communicate that really well it's it's you can have a really short Swedish smooth process with your clients because everybody knows which direction you're going so that's just to zoom out uh what what you were doing because it's yeah we can learn a lot from that and uh people don't have to be a biophilic design then they can be fan of color or a fan about Home Solutions or uh well whatever they can put every other higher impact on number one but if you communicate your whole story and your design principles around that you can be your authentic self and people you're just attracting the right people that want what you want yeah and what you say is very true it has to be uh authentic with yourself I mean you cannot when you're not a nature Lover Please don't become a biophilic designer yeah that's not a match no you can't pretend to love nature it's it's no inside of you or it isn't and most people thank God are fond of nature but uh yeah it has to be close to yourself you know and for me it was it always has been um nature always has been an inspiration in my designs or I've been doing it for 18 years now even even longer um but um when I started to come across biophilic design I was um it really was for me like all the pieces of the puzzle fell together you know it was like oh my God this is oh my God there's a whole science behind it and yeah it's it's it's um it's got much more to it than plants and it's got to do with with materials and it's got to do with um sustainability because that we didn't even touch that but sustainability is a very big part of it because you cannot on one hand say you want to um have the benefits of Nature and then on the other hand destroyed nature at the same time you know in that way very conscious of the of the decisions you make but um you know where I was before I was always busy with this beautiful and you know view of of what it would be yeah and since I I came across biophilic design and I learned everything there is to learn about it um I was much more um aware of the effects I have on the well-being of the end user and that what makes it very interesting and very much more layered also your designs and yeah yeah that's that's why I am so enthusiastic about it and um yeah yeah and it's much more satisfying when you know you can achieve those effects those successes
not just making a beautiful picture yeah it's much more to that yeah yeah and and yeah it's it's well it's very frustrating actually that our profession is produced to accept official Trends and materials most of the time especially for the outside world and yeah we all know in Terror design is so much more than that so um yeah I'm glad that you Saw The Light Of Beyond interior design that this is the that you're aiming for that always yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah it's just a tool interior design is just a tool to to get to give them what they want yeah yeah sure so how how um how can we invite biophilic design easily to our lives except from you can add more plans in your interior design that's so obviously about it about biophilic design it's connected with plants that's what it is yeah what else can you do you do to do maybe small touches but because yeah you don't have to build a jungle no no no and and also I mean it's it's not that you have to do a lot to get the effect you know it's uh even the small things have have a huge impact already so that's that it's not that um you need a lot of money to make a biophilic Design interior you know you can also you can start with very easy things like um putting a screen saver on your computer of a of a forest or of this or whatever you like you know what's what your favorite part of nature is um you could um turn your computer to um look outside especially when you have views on nature that's very easy and very it doesn't cost anything all right check check so far yeah yeah you can bring your uh we can bring your pet to your work if that's allowed what sorry say it again you can bring your pets to your work yeah okay well I don't I don't have one but I can make yeah maybe I need to buy goldfish yeah yeah and those are very small things you know you can you can also um when you don't want to have music in the background you can play something of natural sounds in the background that's very relaxing it's it's really easy and it doesn't cost anything yeah I I'm uh I'm a fan of saunas I have an outdoor sauna and uh because it has to do with fire and with nature so I I really love it I literally looking at it right now in the garden but I sometimes I take that I take this this um this oil these fragrances that I'm using in the sun I I put them in my studio and then the next morning I'm coming in I just my brain goes Ah that's that's a relaxed environment all the my brain is wiring in this relaxed mode exactly that's your brain memory yeah great memory yeah it works really well and I love the smell so it's a good uh yeah yeah that's that's so easy yeah and well of course fresh flowers yeah I can't imagine or working at uh uh my kids are doing that we work uh walk uh walk in the forest or in the park hey you take a branch kind of memory of your outdoor work and you see the stick again you're like oh yeah yeah yeah exactly that's what I do all the time yes
all collection of natural materials yeah
when they work on the beach I can't yeah I can't I need to put something out of the ground yeah yeah I used to take a scent from different beaches where I was I put them in little pots and then everywhere you go is different and smells different it feels different yeah bring those home yeah cool yeah and uh well in the back you have a you have all these people with staring at me for people that are just listening well there are all kinds of faces in the background what tell me more about that yeah that's my fan club your fan club no when I was uh um getting this studio I um I'm sitting here alone and I wanted to have something with people around me other people um so I got this this really a nice book of a photographer called Martin Schuler and he's a German photographer and he's got this really way of photographing people in all the same way it's like they they took their masks off and they're like really almost emotionless and um he took pictures of famous people and not famous people and put them together so and I put it on the wall and it's like it's my fan club see Obama and um yeah and Brad Pitt behind me and John Bon Jovi behind the plants yeah the the eyes are really mesmerizing so they really like you get you take a look into their soul or something that's really cool about this yeah yeah a great great photographer yeah yeah yeah so it's my fan club yeah support team so let's let's talk about uh where you and your fan clip are going mpophilic design is going but how do you see the future in Aventura design and architecture with bioflex design
and in the UK it's already very big yeah yeah it's very well known and in Holland not so much I don't know in the rest but um yeah I think I don't believe it's it's a trend like like we said I think um I think it's more like the future of interior design because I think that everybody should work with this in in more or less ways but there's something for everybody in it and you can you can really make a difference um also because of the the sustainable part that's in it I think we as interior designers have a really big responsibility uh we can take our clients on this sustainable path instead of you know the next PVC or whatever but we have to educate them we have to tell them why this is a better choice than this you know and we have I feel this responsible um a responsibility very much and and I try to get other interior designers to come on this movements together because yeah I think if we um together we can really make a difference in in our industry and it's it's so urgent and it's so and and we can buy fully design gives gives a lot of answers to uh some of the questions we're dealing with at this moment in this age and time and this this could be an answer to a lot of problems yeah Ankita was in the podcast uh a few episodes ago talking about sustainability yeah yeah yeah and she said she said as well like we have so much responsibility as designers and especially interior designers because we are changing our entire design over and over again the building building stays quite the same but the interior when we have new users new activities we're changing it and then there's the designer and so she said like Beware of the the importance the significance of every line you draw on a piece of paper exactly so that's what it starts so I really like that you are starting with the plans because that's a really powerful start then in the direction yeah yeah to make be really aware and getting conscious about your next choices because what do you need extra around all this yeah your starting point in the building we're in the building world you know there are Architects have a lot of rules they have to keep uh following and yeah redesign business there are no rules I mean no you can do anything you want yes um I'm not very much fond of rules but um I think it it should be better if it comes from from us from the design uh World itself um to to give uh to give other options you know to to tell about yeah you can choose this or you can choose this and this is so much better and it's it's got a a CO2 reduction and you know and and I think we have to educate our client because that that's I I speak to a lot of interior designers and I always talk about this subject and and then they say to me yeah but my client doesn't ask for it and I'm like yeah I know your client doesn't ask for it but you have to tell him it's your responsibility to tell him because he doesn't know he can't know he can't know everything he doesn't ask for it and I'm like yeah I know your client doesn't ask for it but you have to tell him it's your responsibility to tell him because he doesn't know he can't no he can't know everything but you can and you can educate them and that's so important and we've yeah I feel this uh this urge to um yeah to tell to tell everybody I mean you can you can put latex on your wall but you also can choose a better paint you know that that's even breathe and and that's not a plastic you put on your wall so there are important choices to make and yeah yeah it's on us you said you said um well in in Holland it's coming it's more kind of a city jungle style Interior Design Concepts and hospitality is shooting with plants or this biophilic workplaces England and yeah the UK in America it's going better with which country is leading at the moment
yeah that's definitely Singapore yeah Singapore yes they really really understand why fully design there and it's it's not the first first idea where you mentioned Singapore that I have a really green scenery in my ads it's more like bricks high buildings industrial things what are they doing what are they doing well first of all when you want to build something in Singapore you will have to give Back To Nature what you took from nature oh so the the amount of of building lands uh you have to put back in nature inside the building or or on you know on the walls or whatever but you have to back the same amount and that's a that's a rule yes yeah wow yeah yeah that's very cool and they used to have like this uh ambition to uh plants I don't know the amount but planned so much uh trees in one year and now they spoke out the ambition that they're gonna double it again so they're really busy with actually they are um they are called um uh City no City in the park or Park City I'm not sure but yeah that's that's really what their ambition is to to make it like a jungle uh in the city another Concrete Jungle but uh I think it's really cool because they because maybe it's because of the contrast of this impression and image they have of bricks high buildings glass ceilings and all that technological technological technical that this these are maybe the cities or countries that that can change big time because they if they have a rule like this then it's obligatory for everything you're designing in future yeah and also you know it's it is a big city and it is it is massive and there is a lot of a lot of people and and buildings but to keep keep a city like that livable for for human beings yeah have to have some nature as well because it's it it makes you crazy when you have to you know when there's no nature and only only bricks and and you know that it's just not livable anymore and and that's they realize that I think 50 years ago uh and they really made policy to to to make it uh um yeah to make it biophilic actually yeah well wonderful should should there be a rule in other countries too yeah not not every country so dense then we live in a quite uh populated country in a small piece of land in Holland with uh what is it 1670 million people yeah yeah but you know we have like this this straight line between cities and uh how do you say it uh um yeah the other country uh yeah well yeah but I think it should be more Blended in you know it shouldn't be such a straight line and and when you when we invite more nature into our cities it gets more smooth and it gets more yeah yeah yeah you don't have these strong boundaries of I'm inside and outside the city yeah exactly slowly getting from nature into a kind of City yeah and and also make it fluent in the buildings you know when you when you're outside the building and you have like this entrance with all plants then then repeat the plants inside you know then you get the fluent uh yeah yeah there's overlay yeah there's this transition zone yeah yeah yeah there's always a good thing indoor outdoor effects I think it's a famous Imperial design uh trick in the outdoor effect people are looking for that yeah sure yeah yeah great yeah we we um well let's let's um we've created a special landing page for this uh for you for biophilic design it's a Institute of interior impact.com biophilic uh people can find more about you about uh well um I saw already a great video about Singapore so uh we will put it on there on the on the website over there as well um we've uh you have a a special gift for the people that are joining us live here right yeah yeah it's it's like a summary of what we discussed today it's like what is mindfully designed exactly what can do what can it do for you how can you implement it in your life yeah you've created an uh yeah International manual for biophilic design to start yeah plugging it into our into your internal design philosophy the start yeah working with it yeah great yeah so if you go to the link uh Institute of dairyimpact.com meophilic you can download it there we will put a link uh link there in the chat there's one I see swim and in the link the manual to the to the PDF and um for the Dutch listeners it's also in Dutch on my website so yeah they can go to your website or connect with you on LinkedIn your um yeah liama bonus and they know where to find you yeah so um well thanks a lot for your uh your your insights I can I can feel you're on a mission I can feel your frustration where we're talking about bricks and concrete so uh yeah you're definitely living it I I always love it when people are really passionate about something they literally believe and uh well I I believe it you believe actually I think we have a big big um responsibility as designers to to adapt this to implement this more into our into our interior designs and we don't have to call it biophilic design that we can use the perspective and the view and the mythology of this yeah yeah it's uh yeah to create better environments healing environments more meaningful impactful environments yeah so uh well what's your what's your last goal Mission advice you would like to give to us yeah well actually I would like to invite anyone who listens to um to start learning about life like design and to start you know I wanted to be a movement I want to hook up everyone who's listening to to start work with this because yeah it really it's um it gives you it gives your interior designs more uh depth more um a meaning and um it also is good for the world you know it's it's what we need at this moment um yeah yeah so even if you don't like plants there's more to learn about biophilic design yeah you can forget about the plot
yeah yeah that's maybe one of the yeah the greatest Insight you could you can have a biophilic design without plugs yeah
you're welcome thank you for having me yeah being my guess what definitely it's it's definitely not we we don't usually talk about Trends so this was a tricky one it was like is it is it the trend is it is it is it going to disappear in a few months but I truly believe we we are just at the beginning of this yeah sure yeah it's a religion it's a movement yeah for me it is yeah so um yeah well uh thanks a lot
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